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Hello and welcome to episode 2418 of Effectively Wild,

The Baseball Podcasts FanGraphs presented by

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I am Ben Lindberg of the Ringer,

not joined today by Meg Rally of Fancrafs,

who is very sensibly off for the week of Christmas.

And so I have two guests who have the difficult assignment

of following Jeff Passon.

They're not insiders.

They're just outsiders like me.

First, I am joined by Meg's editor-in-chief counterpart at Baseball Prospectus, Craig Goldstein.

Howdy, Craig? Hello.

And we are joined by one of the people who made it possible for me and Craig to become

editors-in-chief of Baseball Prospectus by co-founding the company, the proprietor of the Joe Sheean baseball newsletter, which sort of ends the suspense about who I'm introducing. Joe Shian, hi, Joe. I wish I'd look back. I wish I'd done what Craig Calcutera did and give it a different name. And looking back, it's like, man, it's really egotistical

of name something after yourself. But hey, here we are. Yeah, I couldn't be more aptly named,

really. It's truth in advertising. It's a real does what it says in the tin sort of situation.

It's Josian writing a newsletter about baseball. You get what you pay for. You get a lot when you

pay for either of your products, but we will

get to that a little later. I had a grand plan for this episode because back in early October,

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