More than 2,000 episodes retrospectively filed,

and at each new one we still collectively smiled

that's effectively wild.

That's effectively wild.

Hello and welcome to episode 2220 of Effectively Wild, a baseball podcast from fan graphs

presented by our Patreon supporters.

I am Benlinberg of the Ringer, not joined today by Meg Rally of fan graphs

who is on vacation, and so I ask you can you feel it can you sense it can you

hear it in my voice does this feel like extra free content from a podcast whose

episodes are all free already well there's a reason for that. This is a bonus episode.

No, it's not an emergency episode about Shohayotani's great game to go 50-50 and then 5151.

We will definitely discuss that on the next episode which will be out soon this week.

This pod is a standalone interview episode. I will bring you behind the scenes. This was supposed to be part of our previous episode,

2219. I was going to talk to

Joe Sheehan and then do this interview. When you schedule an interview and you book a

guest you've never talked to to discuss something that they haven't thought

about in a while, you never know how it's going to go or how long it's going to last.

And so my plan was to put this at the end of the preceding episode.

Bander first, interview segment second. And when I greeted the guest you're about to hear,

he asked about how long I thought it might go. I said, oh, maybe half an hour.

Depends how much you have to say. Then before we knew it, an hour had passed.

I ended the interview and my guest said, I could have kept talking. I thought this was a fun,

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