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Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

Effectively Wild Episode 19: Scraping Ice

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

Ben Lindbergh, Meg Rowley

Sports, Baseball

4.82.6K Ratings

🗓️ 13 August 2012

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Summary

Ben and Sam discuss the impact of CC Sabathia’s elbow soreness on the Yankees’ short- and long-term outlooks, and the difference between winning a division and winning a wild card under the new playoff format.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Good Monday morning. It's a new week and a new effectively wild. This is episode 19 of the B.P. daily podcast in New York. I'm Ben Lindbergh in California. He's Sam Miller. Sam on Friday. You talked about Eric Chavez and how good he's been and now Eric Chavez has a stiff back and hasn't played all week.

0:29.9

And so you you broke him. He had a sterling health record for 34 years before I got involved. Yeah, so who's successful season? Would you like to jinx now?

0:42.9

I actually my topic tonight is sort of abstract and it's just playoff odds.

0:49.9

Okay, so no one will be harmed by your topic today. My topic is CC Sebethia.

0:58.9

All right, great. Yeah. Why don't you start your topic is better.

1:04.9

Okay, so CC Sebethia has an arm problem, which is not really something that we've ever been able to say about CC Sebethia before.

1:17.9

He has been of course famously durable. He's pitched around 250 innings, usually more than 250 when you count playoff innings for the past several years.

1:29.9

And now he is not going to get there this year because he has already spent some time on the deal with a groin strain.

1:37.9

Now he's going back on the deal with elbow stiffness and it was one of those deals where he he felt his elbow stiff and up after I think a complete game start against the Mariners felt that he could pitch through it.

1:53.9

And this soreness sort of subsided between starts and then he made another start, but he kind of felt it throughout that start and after that start and according to him his wife forced him to tell somebody.

2:07.9

So the MRI came back negative. It sounds like there's no structural damage, but at the same time we have talked in a couple of episodes about how scary the Phantom elbow stiffness injury is.

2:22.9

So of course he has signed for another four years and really five because his vesting option will probably vest for 2017 at quite a bit of money each of those years.

2:36.9

So in the long term, of course, as scary as he says it is for him, it must be equally scary for the Yankees. And in the short term, I would think that's also the case in that without Sabatya, their playoff rotation right now is basically her Oki Karota and then you know a bunch of guys with a lot of question marks or

3:02.9

who aren't so much questions so much as they are just not very good.

3:07.9

Andy Pettit is expected to be back in mid-September. So even if that happens, he'd only have a few starts before the playoffs and then there are guys like Freddie Garcia and Ivanova and Phil Hughes in the mix.

3:21.9

None of whom I think would would probably pass our playoff starter test.

3:27.9

So I guess I don't know how much would you be worried if you're the Yankees both short and long term?

3:34.9

I guess the way that it's being described I wouldn't be super worried about the long term.

3:41.9

I even in the best of circumstances I wouldn't have enough knowledge to actually say anything useful on the topic and this is not the best of circumstances but

3:54.9

it really does sound like this is a little bit more cautious than reactionary and Sabatya seems to be disappointed by it, not by the pain but by the fact that they're taking it as seriously as they are.

4:12.9

I wonder if he regrets marrying that woman.

4:19.9

And so I don't know, I guess normally anytime I hear an elbow starts aching, you just start the clock until Tommy John.

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