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Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

Effectively Wild Episode 1774: In Defense of FIP

Effectively Wild: A FanGraphs Baseball Podcast

Ben Lindbergh, Meg Rowley

Sports, Baseball

4.72.7K Ratings

🗓️ 20 November 2021

⏱️ 96 minutes

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Ben Lindbergh and Meg Rowley recap the results of awards week, focusing on the controversy over Corbin Burnes’s victory over Zack Wheeler in NL Cy Young voting, the inconsistency between the AL and NL Cy Young results, how voting patterns are evolving, whether anyone actually discounts the value of innings, FIP vs. ERA and a misconception about the suitability of FIP for retrospective evaluation, and the MVP victories of Shohei Ohtani and Bryce Harper. Then (43:24) they start their series of discussions of Korean baseball drama Stove League by breaking down the first four episodes of the show. (Note: No spoilers beyond Episode 4.)

Audio intro: The High Water Marks, "Award Show"
Audio outro: The Lemonheads, "Stove"

Link to NL Cy Young voting results
Link to AL Cy Young voting results
Link to AL MVP voting results
Link to Ben on Ohtani’s stats
Link to NL MVP voting results
Link to Alex Speier on Cy Young voting
Link to Jayson Stark on awards stats
Link to Jeff Passan’s tweet about innings
Link to Tom Tango on deGrom vs. Urías
Link to Tango on predicting Cy Young results
Link to Dan Szymborski on his NL RotY ballot
Link to Ben Clemens on Burnes
Link to Neil Paine on MVPs and team performance
Link to history of BBWAA Cy Young voting
Link to history of BBWAA MVP voting
Link to Russell Carleton on reliever workloads
Link to Incheon SSG Landers Field
Link to Moneyball bat scene
Link to Twitter thread on Jung Hwa Kim
Link to explainer about Korean beef
Link to Stove League teaser video
Link to Stove League review
Link to stream Stove League via Kocowa
Link to stream Stove League via Viki

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0:30.0

Hello and welcome to episode 1774 for Poptic Reviled, the bandwrested podcast brought to you by our Patreon supporters,

0:40.4

I'm Nick Rallye, bandwrested and I'm joined as always by Ben Lindbergh of the Ranger, Ben Howerio.

0:45.4

I'm doing well. I have a bunch of people in my mentions congratulating me on

0:50.1

Shohei O'Tani's unanimous LVP award as if I was somehow responsible or should share in his

0:57.0

accomplishment, but really I want to be maybe the first, maybe not the first, to congratulate you

1:02.4

on Mike Zunino's 10th place MVP vote just as impressive an accomplishment. Thank you, you know,

1:09.0

Mike Zunino, he's good. Well, he's good. Yeah, you can say that now. He has received MVP votes,

1:17.9

wealth and MVP votes. Yeah, yeah, I don't know which is more surprising that O'Tani would win

1:24.6

the MVP award or that Zunino would receive MVP consideration. Let's say that's a generous way

1:29.8

to put it, but both of those things happen. So today is going to be the first of our stove leak

1:36.6

discussion episodes. We'll be covering the first four episodes of the show. But before we get to

1:42.4

stove leak, let's talk a little bit about awards week and not just O'Tani and Zunino. All the major

1:49.5

awards have been announced now. And I guess if you graphed my level of interest in awards voting

1:56.9

over time, it would be a straight line down. I mean, it would be a linear decline. I guess I'm

2:04.4

less and less interested, I suppose, in who wins awards. But I am interested in them in the sense

2:11.6

that they may be act as a referendum of sorts on how player value is perceived. So it's not that I

2:20.5

really have a stake in the outcomes or even that it affects my thinking about a player season so much.

2:27.6

I mean, I'm glad that O'Tani won, but I would not be any less impressed by what he achieved if he

2:34.3

had not won for some reason. But I am interested in the conversation about the awards. I suppose

2:41.2

maybe it's an overbid to say that the award results reflect how the media at large perceives

2:48.7

player value, let alone how teams do or how fans do. Because again, every award result is based

2:55.1

on a subset of voters. It's what 30 people thought of a given race and granted those 30 people

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