Even if I know that you're right, I still go on, I still go on.

Hello and welcome to episode 1187 of Effectively Wild, a baseball podcast from Fand Graphs and from our Patreon supporters.

I am Ben Lindbergh of the Ringer, joined by Jeff Sullivan of Fand Graphs. Hello, hello,

doing an email show today, but a few things we want to banter about first. And one of them,

unfortunately, for race fans, if there are any of you out there, lost another promising prospect

to Tommy John surgery, this time Jose de Leone now joins Brent Honeywell on the disabled list

for the rest of the year with a new UCL or will be about to. And this is interesting because

at the same time, roughly Kevin Cash, race manager told reporters that they are considering going

with a 4 man rotation all season, filling in with bullpen guys when needed. No, I don't know if this

is just because they have lost all of their other pictures to Tommy John surgery and they now

only have four left or if this is just a race style innovation or return to how teams used to do it.

And it's interesting because a few teams seem to be pursuing six man rotations as we talk to

Pedro about in the angels case on our last episode. And we answered a listener email not long

ago about whether a team might go back to a 4 man rotation sometime soon. And I think we acknowledged

why that might make sense, but also didn't really expect it to happen at least not yet. And maybe

we were wrong. Yeah, I guess this is partially also going to be a function of not there like six new

off days during the regular season, I think, is. Yeah, season starting a little earlier and has more

off days built in. Yeah, right. So it is interesting to have this going on because there are teams all

over the place that are talking about the six man rotations. Also eight man bullpen such that

benches are going to be about two people long. You wonder why Mike. Sochis doesn't have work.

Nine man bullpen in the Phillies case possibly. I mean, probably why Reese Hoskins and Tommy Joseph

are playing everywhere just because they just somebody has to. I don't even know who their backup

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