From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the treatment.

It's always good to have old friends on the show, especially old friends who you got to start with by having an argument,

and you're still friends with them over 30 years later.

Of course, I'm referring to director Edwards Wick, who's had a bent for making films.

If they weren't based on real life events, they could be, going back to special

bullets in this TV film, to glory, to love and other drugs, to defiance, to the terrific

film that you should see pawns sacrifices news film is

trial by fire it's always so good to have you here it's good to be here and it is this thing that

you are often attracted to a piece of material that's based in the real world in some way yeah if not

if not on the people then certainly on the issues yeah and what is that for you? I don't know. I mean, I guess

I have some background. I began in journalism long, long ago, and I think there's always been

some wish to be part of the conversation. Or to compel the conversation, it feels like in some ways,

doesn't it? Be provocative in it? Yeah, I mean, it feels like you are using movies in that great old old old old Warner Brothers film, stuff like I was

a fusion from a Chang gang of this, like the idea that film can provoke conversation and

still connect to the real world and still be dramatic. Well, yeah, and that happened long

before films. There was a strand, you know,

in American letters that believe that that was one of the roles of the artist and particularly

the author. Certainly about the trial I find, which is such an interesting piece because

so much of your work is about either literal guilt or metaphorical guilt. I mean, I think about

defiance, the guilt of those guys to try to save people, or the guilt of Robert Shaw and glory, or in this case, a situation with his actual question of guilt or innocence, isn't there?

That's interesting. I hadn't thought of that connective tissue, but I certainly know that we all have been in that situation, even as children, when you've been falsely accused of taking your sister's candy bar or of much worse.

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