Tannen, it's got the code. It's going to launch.

It's a unit system.

I know this.

It's all the files of the whole park.

It tells her everything.

Sir, he's uploading the virus.

Eagle one.

The package is being delivered.

So our podcast is called Cyber,

and we talk a lot about spies and malware.

And as much as I like talking to our very prolific motherboard crew,

who else better to talk spicy about the intelligence industrial complex

than our next guest.

A breaking news this evening is the identity of the man who sent the Obama administration

into defend and explain mode this week.

His name is Edward Snowden.

He is a lawbreaker.

He violated American law.

I think they're going to say I've committed grave grave crimes, I've violated the Espionage Act.

They're going to say, you know, I've aided our enemies.

In 2013, Edward Snowden pilfered thousands of top secret documents from the NSA and its spy partners, then fled to Hong Kong, where he gave them to two journalists.

The rest, as they say, was the NSA's worst nightmare. But from those leaks and countless

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