Across the UK, across continental North America, and around the world on the internet by webcast and by podcast, my name is Howard Hughes, and this is the unexplained.

And if I sound remarkably similar to the way that I did in the last podcast, that's because this one is a continuation as you know of that one.

It's part two of my conversation with Philip Mantle.

We've already unearthed and unpicked some of the great stories in his book UFO Landings UK and talked about a couple of current, uphological topics.

He is engrossing to listen to. I'm sure you agree.

So here comes part two of my conversation with Philip Mantle about UFO Landings UK.

Just over the page, page 64, Ray Wardle and Ian Jones, RAF Cosford, you've got a lot of detail on this. This is December 1963, so it's just a month after all that.

There was a report of a landing of a UFO at RAF Cosford, which is kind of near Wolverhampton, isn't it? It's on the sort of Shropshire border area, isn't it?

Yeah, yeah. So I mean, that area, I think, has also been noted for something else that appeared over it much, much later than that, which we've talked about before.

Let's just, I'm skipping through a lot of detail here.

1997, UFO researcher, Arphrennick Redfern, got a phone call from Graham Bird, the editor and publisher of UFO magazine, who told him he'd been contacted by a man called Ray Wardle.

He was one of the eyewitnesses to the events at RAF Cosford in 63. It's a strange, strange story.

During further conversation, Ray told Nick Redfern, he estimated the size of the object being 20 feet across 30 feet high.

He and his companion were probably 100 yards away, although Ray wanted to investigate further, Ian ran away, Ray deliberated what to do, caught up with Ian between two hangars where they discussed what they should do about the sighting, and after some conversation decided to report it.

Ray said what bothered me was that they refused to come back with us. Nobody would go to the spot that we were telling them about. And yet, I think officials denied that anything had happened after that.

Yeah, I mean, I think if I was an official, and I was in charge, it's such a military installation, I would deny it as well. For obvious reasons.

Again, in another fascinating case, we have a photograph of Mr Wardle, and it had been investigated by several people down the years, and been documented accordingly.

And what we will know is that he's not the only military officer, I'm sort of a military personnel in the book to report this type of thing. We've skipped past one. We had won from actually during the First World War.

John Warren, or May 1943, in Arya Flutton, in Norwich, saw a strange creature just outside the base one night. John was like coming back from a dance, and he had to walk home.

Or walk back to base, and he was worried about getting into trouble when he saw this thing. I have the honor of speaking to Mr. Wining, and you've got a sketch of it too.

And of course, if we think about the congressional hearings that were conducted in Washington recently, about UFOs, and the Department of Defense setting up that own investigative body again, the sightings they're only going to look into how are from military personnel.

Now, I wondered if they were looking to something similar as reported by Ray Wardle as a military man. I wonder if they'd look into that type of case if it was reported to them. Now, I don't know, it would be interesting, it would not.

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