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The Good Fight

Ed Luce on America in 2024

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

News

4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 9 March 2024

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Yascha Mounk and Ed Luce discuss the sense of impending disaster in American politics. Ed Luce is the US national editor and columnist at the Financial Times. He is also a member of the Persuasion board of advisors. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Ed Luce discuss what worries Americans most about the state of the country heading into the next election; the presumptive re-match between Biden and Trump; and why a second Trump term could be more dangerous than the first. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

The political splits are becoming more class-oriented, and less racially based.

0:06.0

But I have to say I don't really trust that that long term is going to come into view at the moment.

0:12.0

It's extremely hard to look past

0:14.4

November the 5th. Nobody does. The discussion about what Biden would do in a second term

0:21.3

would in an ordinary political cycle now be an ordinary discussion.

0:25.5

It would be a commonplace one to have.

0:28.0

It's just not happening because nobody can see past that existential date and we do know that whatever happens on that date

0:36.1

the side that loses and that could apply to either side will see the result as illegitimate

0:44.8

and I think that's pretty much a given and that sort of zero-sum existentialism is just something you don't find in any

0:50.6

other democracy and now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

0:59.9

As my guest at Luz and I briefly discuss on the podcast this week,

1:04.4

it feels like the upcoming presidential election is a slow moving train wreck.

1:10.7

We see the trains speeding towards each other. train elected president of the United States and yet nobody quite seems to have a plan of what to do about it.

1:28.0

For a long time people were understating concerns about Joe Biden's physical and mental acuity. Now there's a much more

1:35.8

open discussion about the topic, but it is probably too late to substitute him at the top of

1:40.8

the ticket and it's unclear that any other Democrat would wind up being that much more popular in any case.

1:47.4

Certainly his vice president is less popular than him.

2:01.0

More broadly though, there is also little attempt to shape the themes and the tone of this election. For a while the Biden campaign tried to emphasize how wonderful the economy is,

2:06.5

trying to persuade voters that they are misjudging the state of the world, they have

2:11.5

somehow toned down those attempts, it is hard to know what the core

2:16.8

theme of Biden's re-election bit is at this point.

2:21.6

I think that there is one thing that whether it is Joe Biden or

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