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The Good Fight

Coleman Hughes on Colorblindness

The Good Fight

Yascha Mounk

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4.6907 Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2024

⏱️ 84 minutes

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Yascha Mounk and Coleman Hughes discuss the difference between race blindness and racism blindness. Coleman Hughes is a writer and the host of Conversations with Coleman. His new book is The End of Race Politics: Arguments for a Colorblind America. In this week’s conversation, Yascha Mounk and Coleman Hughes discuss why race is a poor proxy for setting public policy; why being colorblind doesn’t mean disregarding one’s own cultural affinities; and how we can continue to make progress against racial discrimination without making the concept of race ever more central to our culture and politics. This transcript has been condensed and lightly edited for clarity. Please do listen and spread the word about The Good Fight. If you have not yet signed up for our podcast, please do so now by following this link on your phone. Email: [email protected] Website: http://www.persuasion.community Podcast production by Jack Shields, and Brendan Ruberry Connect with us! Spotify | Apple | Google Twitter: @Yascha_Mounk & @joinpersuasion Youtube: Yascha Mounk LinkedIn: Persuasion Community Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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Is race a useful social construct? I argue in the book that it isn't for the following reason.

0:37.0

When we're talking about public policy, aimed at helping the poor, the disadvantaged, the unlucky.

0:44.6

We want to use public policy to pick out those sets of people, distinguish them, and determine

0:50.9

who the government has an interest in helping, and who doesn't really need the help.

0:56.1

Okay, so then the question becomes, is race the most useful proxy for that?

1:03.0

And my argument in the book is that it's not.

1:06.0

You know, if it were, that's what would change my opinion about this.

1:09.0

If you could show me that the best proxy for picking out the disadvantaged as a class was race, then I would say,

1:19.0

well, we ought to use race in public policy, right? It's the best proxy we have for

1:24.4

disadvantage, for poverty, and so forth. But it's not the best proxy we have.

1:30.3

Just the proxy of any socioeconomic measure really you can think of is automatically

1:36.6

a better proxy. Whether we're talking about income or wealth or some more sophisticated combination

1:42.4

measure that takes into account the level of

1:45.2

crime where you grew up, that already is a better proxy for what we mean when we distinguish

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