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It's to the best of our knowledge. I'm Anne Strangeamps. Today, Ecotopia, new visions of our

environmental future. Albert Einstein famously said that we can't solve problems using the same

kind of thinking we used when we created them. In this hour, we'll talk with people who are trying

to think differently about the environment.

People are trying to get past the old scripts.

For instance, maybe it's time to stop celebrating the beauty of wilderness.

That type of nature writing or that nature writing that most people associate with the genre is really a writing of privilege.

The politics of nature writing. And remembering Rachel Carson on the 50th anniversary of her death.

But first, the environmentalist Bill McKibben was among the very first to write seriously about the danger of global warming.

Now he thinks it's too late. Climate change can't be stopped. So instead,

it's time to figure out how to survive in the new climate. McKibbon recently laid out a new model

in a book called Earth, that's Earth spelled with two A's, in which he makes the case for going

small and local. Because with the cost of rising sea levels and droughts,

the recent economic downturn is about to look like a walk in the park.

What's most interesting about our economic downturn is it gave us the metaphor we need to understand the whole shebang.

The banks were too big to fail.

In Congress, that meant we must bail them out,

but what it really means in the real world is anything too big to fail is too big. Now, our energy system and our agricultural system are both too big to fail, and they're both showing enormous signs of

stress and failure.

The number of hungry people around the world is now on the upswing after going down for many

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