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Welcome back to the Lincoln project, I'm your host, Reed Gaelin, today I'm joined by

television star turned crypto critic Ben McKenzie, you may know Ben from his roles in the

OC, Southland and Gotham, but that's not why he's here today, about two years ago he

teamed up with journalist Jacob Silverman to write the book Easy Money, cryptocurrency,

casino capitalism and the golden age of fraud, which is available wherever fine books are

sold, he also recently testified before the US Congress as a witness in a Senate banking

committee hearing on cryptocurrency and the collapse of the FTX crypto exchange, today

he's coming to us from Brooklyn, New York, Ben welcome, thanks for having me Reed, all right so

there is so much that's in this but I made a note that I wanted to start the conversation with,

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