Hey for the wild community, Iyana here.

Welcome to the fifth episode of our new book study series, Earthly Reeds, where we'll learn

alongside some of our most beloved authors.

After listening to the shorter conversation,

head over to forethewild.world.

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recorded conversations with the authors on our website.

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We are part of a story of a planet that made herself by saying,

I am going to hold. That is so revolutionary,

especially in relationship to some of the stories that I still hold in my head about being alone, about being separate, about not belonging, all of those stories

that are part of the narrative that's in my head that comes out of my colonial socialization

and education. It contradicts all of that in such a beautiful way.

Hello and welcome to For the Wild podcast. I'm Ayanna Young, and today we are speaking with Alexis Pauline Gumbs, author of Survival is a Promise.

Well, Alexis, I am just so relieved that through snow and electrical outages and winds, you know, just life that we've made it here together. I'm like, my heart is feeling more and more settled every moment we're connected. So

thank you for being here and spending some time with us today. Oh, for sure. Yeah,

thank you so much for inviting me. I'm really honored to be here.

I'm honored you're here and I'm just, I feel so grateful to have this time to be with you and

sink into your book, Survival as a Promise, the Eternal Life of Audrey Lord. And it's been out for a few

months. And I know that it's really been moving people. And what's on the top of my mind,

I guess, at the moment is in so many ways, to me, this book defies expectations about what a

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