E862 | Jesus Our Refuge - with Matt Fradd
Wild at Heart
Wild at Heart
4.8 • 1.7K Ratings
🗓️ 9 February 2026
⏱️ 51 minutes
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Summary
In this restless world, satisfaction is fleeting. Rather than chasing after success and validation, what if we began pursuing meaning and refuge? John invites Matt Fradd, noted author and host of the Pints With Aquinas podcast, to discuss how our lives would radically change if we took Christ seriously, stopped seeking false comforts, and found our true refuge in Jesus.
Show Notes: The books referenced are Jesus Our Refuge by Matt Fradd, The Porn Myth by Matt Fradd, Restored by Matt and Cameron Fradd, and The Dumb Ox by G. K. Chesterton. Robert Barron’s video on St. Thomas Aquinas can be found on his website, WordOnFire.org.
Keywords: Wild at Heart, Matt Fradd, Christian, Podcast
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| 0:00.0 | The reason we demonize pornography is because the body and human sexuality are so good. |
| 0:05.5 | If the body wasn't good, you couldn't degrade it. |
| 0:08.5 | When you say you've degraded something, you're presupposing that the thing has grade to begin with. |
| 0:13.8 | We don't talk about degrading paper clips and washing machines because these things don't have in airing dignity. |
| 0:19.3 | So it's precisely because the body is good |
| 0:22.6 | that we ought not to degrade it or treat it merely as an object for consumption. |
| 0:29.2 | Welcome back to the Wild at Heart podcast, everybody here in the second week of February. |
| 0:35.6 | So I'm going to introduce you to another friend of mine this week. |
| 0:40.6 | And we're not going to do this all, all February, or not going to do it all year long. But we've got |
| 0:44.7 | some friends, some very special friends that we want to tell some stories and introduce you to |
| 0:50.5 | their world. And Matt Fred is a friend of mine who is a very influential guy in the |
| 0:59.8 | Catholic world. And I have friends in Europe. I have friends in Australia, friends in South America, |
| 1:06.9 | who have a very deep, rich Catholic faith that I've benefited from their friendship and |
| 1:13.3 | their life with God. |
| 1:15.4 | And I want to let you into that world with me this week and hear a very bright, very |
| 1:23.2 | thoughtful guy who loves Jesus deeply. |
| 1:31.7 | But before we get there, let's take our pause. |
| 1:49.7 | And so we do. We do. We give everyone and we give everything all the chaos of the world, all of the news, |
| 2:00.6 | all of the heartache and the drama. We just, we release that to you right now. And all that is our own, our own drama, the drama of our own world's work and family |
| 2:06.2 | and friends and church, we release all things to you right now. And it's good as you do this |
| 2:16.3 | practice, friends. It's good to tune in to your condition. |
| 2:21.3 | And as you tune into your soul's condition, you will find things that you either need to release |
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