You're listening to the Fresh Hell Podcast. Fresh Hell contains stories of a disturbing

and often graphic nature and is intended for a mature audience.

Please don't let your kids listen to this or they might turn out like us. Everybody has a story and not all of those stories are clear black and white issues even when we think they are.

We wonder how did this happen or what is that like or what happens next?

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This is Ignorance was Bliss at IWB Podcast. cast. Hi, I'm Johanna from Vienna, Austria.

And I'm Annie from Boston, Massachusetts.

Hello Helians, welcome back.

You just heard Kate from Ignorance was Bliss.

She started out as a true crime podcast

that focused on the point of view

from a mental health and criminal justice professional,

but her podcast evolved into so much more so please give it a

listen I'm really looking forward to it too I should let all of our listeners know that I'm

actually on the Cape right now recording so so if you hear the murder of crows that live outside this window or any other anomalies in recording, I'm on the cape.

Yeah, and I'm still in exile at my mom's place in the countryside.

Nothing changed from last week.

On another note, we just had a very nice review that asked us if we could please stop talking

about ourselves. And I get that. I get it. This kind of conversational or more banterish style of

podcast, it's not for everyone. But as I always say it is what it is here and we will never just

talk straight case related things. We will always add personal experiences with things and all the background and side information that we both find interesting.

So if this is your first time listening to us be warned this is what

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