I'm with Dan Holloway, everybody. Welcome to Walkins. Welcome. Thank you for coming on the show.

Is that the name of the show? That is the name of the show. Sweet. Yeah. Thanks for coming.

Sure. Tell me about yourself. You're a great host. I'm just kidding. I really wanted to start it out with the most awkward question ever for you.

Well, let's see. I grew up in the south. Between two firms level.

Hate the government. Although I worked for them for a long time, which I think are probably correlated.

That does seem to be. There's a very flat circle overlap of that. What did you do for the government? First I was in the

82nd Airborne as an infantry man. We jump out of planes and shoot people in the face. That's our

motto. Well, that's not actually our motto. Our model is all American, but whatever. It's weird to be

talking to you without a gun pointed at me actually. Well, would you be surprised if there's one nearby?

No.

No, there's, so I did that for a while and then I, I bookended it with college.

So I went to seminary first and I went to a computer college after that because I thought

those would be relevant skills.

And Army, then I got a couple of degrees and a master's degree after that.

In a variety of fields, mostly in like Homeland Security, Border Protection and shit like that.

And I worked for immigration for a little bit as an intelligence on the intelligence side, but it was super gay.

It was during the Obama administration, and there wasn't a whole lot of immigration enforcement going on then.

Yeah, it's weird.

They'll say that I was talking to my husband about this because they always say like

Obama deported just, you know, more people than Trump.

But he was just like, was that, that's just getting them to the border and then

pushing that like release and catch and release or whatever.

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