I was Jared Klickstein, everybody. Welcome to Watkins. Welcome. Thank you so much. I'm honored to be here.

Thank you for coming through and talking and your book is fantastic. Oh, thank you.

I've read a lot of books for this podcast and yours is actually riveting. You're a great writer. First of all,

oh, thank you. And your story is, it's not, it's not, you know, it's interesting.

I was talking to my husband about this because he and I met recovery.

And he was like, do you think people tend to embellish in books like this?

Or do you think that they tend, you know, what's your general feeling?

And I was like, I don't know.

As someone who grew up not in near the level of dysfunction as you, but so many

things I could relate to, just like protecting your family, having people around you, being

like, well, there's not much I can do, even though I know something isn't right.

You seem to like, I was like, I feel like you, there's a lot in between the lines that just like doesn't get sad, actually.

Was it hard for you to write?

Yeah, I mean, I, first of all, like, this story just happened to me.

So like, I appreciate the kind words about me being a good writer.

I didn't write this story.

I mean, I didn't, a lot of people have to create amazing stories.

This just happened.

So it was pretty easy.

Yeah, but you're still a good writer.

Well, thank you.

You can have an amazing story and be not be a good writer.

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