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This Wreckage

E319: Good and Evil

This Wreckage

Sean KB and AP Andy

Arts, Music

4.2980 Ratings

🗓️ 9 January 2026

⏱️ 17 minutes

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0:00.0

a posting today what's your newfound appreciation for timothy mcvay i think uh what was his

0:11.2

name terry nichols you know those were Nazis they were fucking Nazis but at least they were

0:16.7

fucking honest these pieces of shit These fucking scumbags.

0:21.7

Like at least I'd rather, like Gore Vidal and Alex Coburn in the 90s, they had this

0:28.6

illusion.

0:29.4

And I think I held with this illusion for a long time that these people believed in

0:37.3

something that like maybe you could

0:38.9

tap into this sort of libertarian streak of like American populism that you know Timothy McVeigh

0:47.0

everybody's saying what he did was right blowing up all those children blowing up all those IRS agents, all those ATF agents.

0:56.1

But, you know, he had his reasons after Waco and Ruby Ridge and all that.

1:00.3

So maybe we should take these people seriously because maybe they have something to teach us, you know, on the left.

1:06.7

Coburn's a fucking socialist.

1:09.3

Gorvidal is like a social Republican.

1:12.5

Maybe Timothy McVeigh, these people, despite their abhorrent views about race or whatever,

1:19.8

maybe they have something to teach us about politics in the world and what's necessary

1:25.3

when you have a empire which needs needs to be taken down you know

1:30.6

maybe you got to blow you know a couple fucking eggs you know you got to make the omelet

1:34.8

sometimes the oklahoma the murrow building just needs to get blown up you know

1:39.9

whatever i don't i never agree with that but that that said, you know, this was, uh,

1:46.1

for the last 35 years or so, kind of like a position on the left. Now, you look and you say,

1:54.3

say what you want about the tenants of, uh, Timothy McVeigh's fucking patriotic fascist fucking Americanism.

2:02.1

At least it was an ethos.

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