E304: DSA with Bruv Characteristics w/ Max Shanly

This Wreckage

Sean KB and AP Andy

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4.2 • 970 Ratings

🗓️ 22 September 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Max Shanly calls in from the UK to give his thoughts on the formation of the new party challenging Labor and Reform. Shanly argues that it should be modeled on the American DSA, with an eye towards renewing the Republican tradition in the UK.

Support the show at http://patreon.com/theantifada for the fun half, in which we talk about the social conservative and petit bourgeois elements in the party, why Corbyn's actions have been misguided so far, Max's opinion on what's fundamentally wrong with the US political structure, and our suggestions on what the new party should be called.

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Some texts from Shanly:

https://medium.com/@maxshanly/towards-a-new-model-left-party-5947dc71b727

https://medium.com/@maxshanly/born-for-life-or-marked-for-death-a12d87220e42

https://medium.com/@maxshanly/drafting-the-future-adbce6f51aa4

Song: Dave Feat. Stormzy - Clash

Transcript

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0:00.0	One other thing, I had an idea that we could read, if we have time, we could like do a bonus where we read something from Spiked.
0:10.7	Although I couldn't really find anything funny because it's all like really disgusted.
0:14.9	It's like way worse than it was last time we did one of those.
0:18.2	It's all, it's extremely transphobic and Zionists now.
0:21.4	It used to be kind of funny, but now it's, yeah,
0:23.7	it's like homophobic and terrible.
0:25.9	He did write something about Oasis, which could be funny.
0:29.4	Yeah.
0:30.1	They're all writing for The Spectator now.
0:34.9	And The Spectator famously had an article a few years ago called
0:41.1	In Defense of the Wehrmack
0:43.6	basically like
0:45.6	saying that the Nazis were good
0:48.9	cool man well Brandon O'Neill is really
0:52.5	I guess he's really doing it. They're maybe trying to
0:57.1	become the voice for, what's their, Reform UK. I don't know if you would have time to do that bonus,
1:03.9	but Andy, I like the idea that Oasis article, if only because Brandon O'Neill is so ridiculous
1:09.3	and the premise of it is
1:10.9	it seems insane to me as an American maybe Max you'd have time to
1:15.8	you know a half hour or so to bring us through what this culture war around
1:19.9	oasis is I don't know up to you yeah we'll see if we can get if we have to
1:23.7	I don't know much about it to be perfectly honest
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