E268: Beyond the Stigma: Rethinking Same-Sex Attraction in the Church | Lila Rose Show
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🗓️ 21 November 2025
⏱️ 99 minutes
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Summary
Are sins related to homosexuality worse than other serious sins? You might think so from how the Church and many well-meaning believers address the topic. Too often, people experiencing same-sex attraction are treated like modern-day lepers. So how should we actually talk about it and how do we support those who struggle?
What can their experiences teach us about our own wounds and the ways human longing can be misdirected? Therapist Michael Gasparro and ministry leaders Andrew Comiskey and Kim Zember share how their past struggles with same-sex attraction became a path to deeper healing and intimacy with God.
In this episode, you’ll discover more about who you are, how to live compassionately, and how God designed our bodies and relationships for healthy, life-giving intimacy.
Michael's channel: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkD3oHy6WeE
Kim's ministry: https://boldlybeloved.com/
Andrew's ministry: https://www.desertstream.org/
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00:00:00 - Intro
00:07:53 - Kim’s background
00:13:26 - We all long for Jesus
00:21:10 - Reintegration vs Conversion Therapy
00:30:25 - What is psychologically "normal”?
00:37:22 - What is 'order'?
00:40:22 - Science and Intelligible Patterns
00:45:24 - LGBTQ Label and Fr Martin
00:57:27 - False Hope
01:04:18 - Power of Identity
01:07:13 - Convincing children to sexualize their attractions
01:08:58 - New study on 'coming out'
01:11:37 - Lila opens up:
01:17:25 - Homophobia
01:31:42 - Best resources for Christians?
Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | It's almost like we forget how to be Christian when someone says homosexuality. |
| 0:03.8 | And it's really sad. That's not how God deals with us. I thought because I had same-sex attraction and I wanted to follow Christ, that meant I wasn't allowed to even want to be happy. Thomas Aquinas says, acknowledging you want to be happy is the beginning of the spiritual life. What is order? Not just as sexuality, because everybody gets freaked out, just in life. There's order to a world. |
| 0:21.9 | If there's not, it's called chaos. |
| 0:23.5 | That is a point of controversy. |
| 0:25.2 | I just clutched when he said that. |
| 0:26.9 | Well, I want you to respond to this. |
| 0:28.1 | The differences between male and female homosexuality reveals something essential about male and female sexuality. |
| 0:35.3 | Not one person walking this earth was raised by a perfect mother and a |
| 0:39.4 | perfect father. Jesus said, be born again. Is it possible to find freedom from unwanted |
| 0:49.1 | sexual attractions? And should Christians even try to do that? What resources and ministries do churches offer? And where |
| 0:55.9 | is their need for improvement? And what is the full Christian vision of human flourishing that incorporates |
| 1:02.5 | sexuality, psychology, and spirituality? Welcome back to the Lila Rose show. Today we are talking |
| 1:07.9 | with three amazing guests, Andrew Kamiski, Kim Zember, and Michael |
| 1:12.1 | Gasparo, who bring expertise, ministry experience, and deeply personal stories that they |
| 1:17.6 | vulnerably share on the path towards wholeness, integration, and picking up your cross. |
| 1:22.1 | So many people today are confused about purpose, sexuality, and identity. And as always, our goal with this podcast and the community we're building at the Lila Rose Show |
| 1:31.1 | is to bring clarity to a confused world. |
| 1:34.1 | The quickest and easiest way that you can support this mission is by ensuring that you're |
| 1:37.4 | subscribed, sharing this podcast with a friend, and leaving us a like and a comment. |
| 1:41.7 | You can also support our mission to bring truth over at patreon.com slash Lila Rose show for ad-free episodes and access to upcoming guests and more. Okay, I'm so excited for today. Thank you all for coming in. I've been looking forward to this panel of these esteemed guests for some time. Andrew, welcome. Kim, I'm so glad you're back. Michael, so happy you're here again. |
| 2:03.0 | We haven't had you yet on the show, Andrew. So I thought we could start with a brief |
| 2:06.5 | introduction and reintroduction of Kim and Michael, who are favorites here on the show. So welcome. Thank you so |
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