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That's kind of conversation to your soul.

That's conversation between your soul and the night. Next conversation. Hello, Prestige Head's

I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade Derek Davison.

And we're very excited to welcome to the podcast today. The other Daniel Penny. This one is Daniel Waite Penny.

And he is a journalist, critic, editor and the co-host of Carbon Bros, a crossover mini-season from drilled and non-toxic, that digs really deeply into

the manosphere. So, Daniel, first of all, thank you very much for joining us.

Thanks for having me on. It's a pleasure to talk to you guys.

So one of the things I wanted to ask is, what made you want to devote time to really digging

into the

manosphere, you know, that great space that everyone just can't get enough of?

And why do you think this is an important topic, a topic that's worthy of spending

your intellectual energy on over a period of time? Yeah, sure. I think it's kind of a circuitous road that led me there. I suppose that's

the case for anyone who winds up in the minosphere, either sucked into it or studying it. It's rarely

a straight line. But if I were to give it a quick version, it was basically that I was writing

for some men's magazines and feeling

like the stories I wanted to tell were just not getting picked up by my editors who thought

that there just wasn't interest. And I was pretty convinced that actually these were things

worth talking about. So I just started my own podcast,

Non-Toxic. But specifically, it's not just the Manosphere. I was interested in the way that the

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