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That's kind of conversation to your soul.

That's conversation between your soul and the night. Hello, Hello, Prestige Head and Welcome to American

Now.

And we're very excited to welcome to the podcast. And we're veryads and welcome to American Prestige. I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade Derek Davidson.

And we're very excited to welcome to the podcast today, Andre Pagliarini.

Andre is an assistant professor of history and international studies at Louisiana State University.

And he's also the author of the new Lula, a people's president in the Fight for Brazil's Future, of course,

about Brazil's famous, I almost said infamous, I guess he's both, but Brazil's famous

president. So, Andre, thank you so much for joining us.

Thank you so much for having me, guys. It's such a big fan of the show. It's a pleasure.

So let's dive in, two feet forward, that old phrase that everyone uses.

And let's talk about Lula. And in particular, let's talk about this first chapter you have,

because the purpose of the book is to intertwine the history of Lula with the history of labor in Brazil.

And you have this chapter on the making of modern Brazil and how labor is really essential to it

that starts in the early 20th century. So for people who might not be familiar with the labor of modern Brazil and how labor is really essential to it, that starts in the early

20th century. So for people who might not be familiar with the labor history of Brazil,

how do things proceed? Right. So Brazil, after independence in 1822,

unlike so many of the revolutionary republics in the rest of Latin America,

becomes a really conservative entity that is a monarchy with very these

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