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Hi there, you're listening to High Performance, the award-winning podcast that unlocks the

minds of some of the most fascinating people on the planet. I'm Jake Humphrey,

and alongside Professor Damien Hughes, we learn from the stories, successes, and struggles of

our guests, allowing us all to explore, be challenged, and to grow. Here's what's coming up today.

I'm most of my life I've been underestimated as a starting point, and that's quite a decent

starting point to be. I did the hard graft, you know, I made the teas, I cleaned the sink,

I went and got the guys food for them, you know, I wasn't too proud to do any of that.

Everything I do, I look through the lens of, is it the right thing for the football club?

We've all got a need, go a healthy one, right? But you do have to support and if you want to be

involved in football at this level, and you do also have to block out the noise, I want success

for this football club to be an everyday occurrence, not one day out at Wembley every 10 years.

Losing everything is a pretty good incentive to get up every morning a little bit early

than everybody else, and make sure you succeed.

You know what, I loved this conversation with Steve Parish, the man who runs Crystal Palace

Football Club. We recorded it at the training ground, they've got this beautiful new facility,

his office overlooks the training pictures, and just his pride when he looks out of the window,

and sees the first team, and the youth team, and the development squads all playing together.

It was a really clear indicator of what he's done at Crystal Palace, which is to create a football

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