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Hi there, you're listening to High Performance, the award-winning podcast that unlocks the minds of some of the most fascinating people on the planet.

I'm Jake Cumpfrey and alongside Professor Damian Hughes, we learn from the stories, successes and struggles of our guests, allowing us all to explore, be challenged and to grow.

Here's what's coming up today.

I experienced homelessness as a teenager. I spent two and a bit years rough sleeping on and off on the streets of a town in South Wales called Newport after a really challenging few years after my father died.

And High Performance to me at that time meant survival. I've worked too hard, I've come too far.

There is absolutely no way on God's green earth that I'm giving up because of you and your bigoted opinions. It's not happening.

It doesn't matter what happens, I'm getting up again. It doesn't matter how many time life kicks me in the face or knocks me on my ass.

I'm getting up again every single time unless I'm dead.

So this is a conversation with the Chief Fire Officer of West Sussex Fire and Rescue Service, Sabrina Cohen-Hatton.

It's the most remarkable story. She will talk about how life started out on the streets, but ended up with her leading in the fire service.

She talks about decision making, she talks about emotional control, how to make her voice heard, how she's been stereotyped and how she rallies against that, the power of relationships and the pain of trauma.

Look, there are some really harrowing stories in this conversation, but it's a conversation that I think you need to hear because there are so many lessons within it.

I can't thank Sabrina enough for coming on the podcast. Let's get to it. Sabrina Cohen-Hatton on High Performance.

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