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I'm Edward Conlon, host of Talk to Me, the new podcast about the origin of hostage negotiations.

Through the first hand accounts of the NYPD's hostage negotiation team founders, we delve into real cases, big and small, to hear how the team pioneered the use of psychology to save lives.

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This week, on the podcast, we welcome Sarah Hader. She is an activist and writer.

Sarah has spent much of her professional life in the charitable world, co-founding two nonprofit organizations.

Her work has been covered in numerous outlets, including BBC, The Economist, The Stranger, and Colette, and was recognized as a free thought heroine by the Freedom from Religion Foundation.

Today, she spends more of her time thinking and writing about belief, social dynamics, and culture on her sub-stack.

Hold that thought, or chatting with author Megan Daum on their podcast, A Special Place in Hell.

Sarah and I had a great conversation. She's one of my favorite heterodox thinkers out there, and I hope you enjoy getting to know her a little bit.

Alright, I'm with Sarah Hader. Everybody, welcome to Walk and Zwelcome. Thank you for taking time to come through.

Thanks for having me. I'm so excited. I am too. I've always wanted to, I love this podcast because I feel like I really get to know people that I'm already huge admirers of, and I'm just such a huge fan of your work.

And all of your writing, particularly your writing, in the way that you view a lot of this culture or stuff, it seems to come from a more rational, reasonable place.

And I don't know if anyone in my audience isn't familiar with you, they should be because I think you're kind of like an oasis of sanity.

Whether you feel that way or not.

Yeah, I mean, these days I'm feeling pretty crazy, but I appreciate you saying that. Yeah, so I can give a little introduction of myself for your audience.

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