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I'm Danny Bessner, here as always with my friend and comrade, Derek Davidson, and we're

very excited to welcome to the pot today, my friend Ben Fong.

Ben is an associate teaching professor and honors faculty fellow at the Arizona State

University, and he's also the associate director for the Center for Work and Demo Crazy.

Ben, thank you so much for joining us.

Yeah, thanks for having me.

And we invited you, of course, to talk about your book, Quick Fixes, Drugs in America,

from Prohibition to the 21st Century Binge.

So I'm just going to start with a basic question.

Are you on drugs now?

No, just kidding.

Why did you decide to write a book about drugs? Why are drugs important to understanding this thing we call

capitalism? Well, yes, to answer your first question, I'm on my favorite drug, which is coffee.

Oh, yeah, true. We start with coffee. Good, good, good, good, good. Wow, are you a natural podcast,

sir? It's great. Yeah, so I want to take

on the project because just anecdotally, it felt like everyone I knew was on drugs in some way

or another. Part of that seemed to do with a change in the culture more generally. I think

that mental illness has been more destigmatized over the years,

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