At the end of the day, your children are not going to follow what you say.

They're going to follow what you model.

I look at our hardship ears, and our hardship ears made us even closer right now, because we

determined they would.

We determined we are going to stay alone.

You have to know the ebb and the flow of your child, and you have to discipline, not

punished, in a way that causes them to grow correctly. I was in Singapore and they asked,

how did you get four boys that love God? And I said, what has been in your experience,

the number one enemy of that falling in love with each other? Selfishness. Love their husbands and

train their children. Most women are trying to train their husbands and they are loving their children.

We have it wrong.

I want to say this so loud.

A wife has no idea how much confidence

it instills in her husband

when she believes in him.

And it doesn't matter if everybody else thinks he's amazing,

the one that really counts is his wife.

John and Lisa Bavere, thank you for joining the podcast.

Oh, it's so much fun.

We love you.

We're honored to be on.

Thank you.

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