We have failed to appreciate the miracle of life, and for that we have so desecrated that life. We try to fix our kids and they're problems. We try to fix our house. We try to fix our companies. We try to fix our products. That mentality is getting away from the fact that there is an emergent beauty, and there's an emergent creation force coming through humanity that is inevitable. When you get 10 birds in a flock, they line up in a V,

but you put 10,000 birds together. Start to express sacred geometries at the scales of a

kilometer. This phenomenon of becoming creator is already inherent in your biology. Everything's

temporary. There is no such thing as death. There's only rebirth. There's not a such thing as an

end point in nature. There's only the recreation.

As we go into seasonality and as we start to embrace the friction, we're going to grow quickly. We need to stop trying to escape to the sacredness, and we need to start to realize that every place is sacred, and we need to start to manifest that sacredness within every part of our bodies. bodies and if we do, the frictions that are currently killing us are creating so much pain

will diminish to just the change of direction. that sacredness within every part of our bodies. And if we do, the frictions that are currently

killing us are creating so much pain will diminish to just the change of direction.

My friend, Zach Bush, welcome back to the show. I'm so thrilled to be here. Thank you,

Andre, for having me. I thought, as it's very in alignment with your work and also my area of passion as a framework for this conversation,

to pull from some core themes of nature's wisdom and how there are so many parallels to unlocking

our inner nature, discovering that, embodying in it, embracing it, living in it,

and how that can contribute to us living in harmony.

And so the first one that would be thrilled to get your kind of framework and understanding

around is we live in perhaps the most individualistic culture to have ever existed.

And we look throughout all nature

as it's a complex ecosystem where interdependence is the natural state of being in existence

from all life. Yet the human mind is the one thing that loves to believe is the separate individual

and has the capacity to do so.

And so when you think about the sort of relational reciprocity and interdependence as a way of being

throughout all life and living life as an offering and how we can give in that way, what are

your thoughts on how we can move from living as a separate individual identity

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