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Hey everybody, hey everybody, welcome to another this week in startups.

I'm your host, Jason Calicanus, and this is a podcast where we talk to founders and investors and thinkers,

journalists, everybody in the entrepreneurial and tech space who is looking to drive the human

species forward with cool product services, companies, startups if you will.

And today will be no different.

If you look at what's happened during this pandemic,

there is perhaps no category that I can think of

that's been hit harder than travel and hospitality. Airlines, hotels are crushed because who in

their right mind would want to get on a silver tube with a hundred other people breathing some amount of recycled air.

Who knows exactly how dangerous it is to be on an airline on a flight?

Maybe people are making a bigger deal out of it than it is, but it's

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