Paul, welcome to the show, man.

It's good to be here.

Am I pronouncing this right, vile files?

Yeah, that's it.

Most people get it wrong.

I get it wrong.

If it reveal files, it doesn't have the same ring. Yeah, it doesn't roll off the time. You need something that runs the veal. The real veal. The real veils. Oh, we're very excited to have you, Paul. I'm a huge fan of yours. Oh, thanks, man. So I hope that's okay to say. Sometimes it feels weird when you kind of out

yourself. Kind of indifferent. It's just, it's nice to hear that from people, but I also try,

try not to place my value on that. That's tricky in this industry. It is, yeah. Am I popular? Am I doing

well? Do you know me? What's my tomato meter? Is that, I mean, yeah, I mean, in this industry, it's really tough to. Going deep. Going deep right out the gate. No, it's tricky. It's tricky. It's, and in any, in any facet of occupation, that that can be a temptation, but it certainly doesn't wield very good results, probably. Have you always been kind of cognizant of that?

Or did you have to learn about that self-awareness at some point in your career?

I think I was aware of it.

But I think you become better at the older you get, the more you mature.

You don't flip out over the things you used to be so kind of hyper-focused on.

I feel like did it change more for you once you had kids and you were like, oh, now I'm really

that too, right? Definitely kids help. And I think, I think the other thing is like you just,

I've been very lucky to. It's easier to let go of that stuff after you've had some success

than if you've never had some. Um, but as you learn in, in our industry, it's really weird where

so many things are out of your control. Maybe the company that funded your movie went bankrupt.

Maybe it got acquired in some merger acquisition thing maybe they switched editors midway through

like you can only control you can control which is your performance and how you treat people

on the day when you make it i mean again i mean i've been such a big fan of years for a long time

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