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I guess CEO, Rick, was, he'd been there 40 days.

He wanted people to speak up, number one, and just like, what's next?

And, I mean, I was one of the more tenured people that is skins on the wall across the board.

You and Dwight Powell.

Yeah, me and Dwight Powell were kind of leading the organization at one point.

No, it was just, people would look for me of like, what should we do in service to the fans

at this time or how to move forward?

And before the Cooper Flag thing, it was very much like next year's

a hardwood classic year like we got to remind people why they actually care about the mavs originally

and we can't we got we got to talk as little as we can about this team that's about to take

the court as possible because it's just going to piss people off.

Is that when you reach out to Mark Aguier?

We're doing that anyway, but yeah.

I figured. Yeah. Yeah.

At some point. What was the hangup there? Just him?

No, I don't know. I think people had left the organization that, like Keith Grant left the organization

right and retired, and I think he might have been the conduit to Aguire. I'm not sure. But people

just hadn't reached out to Aguier. It was cool for him. He was bowling. His eyes out. Yeah.

He's actually crying. Yeah.

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