Do you want to escape the nine to five?

Or do you want the freedom to work when you want, where you want, and with whom you want?

The Art of Passive Income podcast explores opportunities for you to achieve total freedom

so you can live life on your own terms. And now here is your

host, Mark Podolsky, from The Land Geek. Hey, it's Mark Podolsky, the Land Geek, with their favorite

niche real estate website, the landgeek.com. And on this week's roundtable podcasts, we have no roundtableers

because it's July and everyone takes off. But I, of course, am working because I took June

off. And I've got a special treat for you, dear listener. It is always our favorite and most popular podcasts when we have a coaching

clients on talking about their journey. And this week, we have Team Gelber, Dr. Ashley, and Derek

Gelber from The fifth horse.com,

the fifth horse land company,

and they have quite the journey.

So Ashley, Dr. Ashley, Derek, welcome.

Thank you for having us, Mark.

Yeah, excited to be here.

So glad you guys are making time to do this because everybody's always inspired by someone else's journey

and hearing it because you're just a little bit further ahead than the listener and what

they're doing in their land investing business.

So let's just rewind the tape.

Like, how did you guys even find land geek and land investing?

So we started a remodel, rental, you know, business where we would buy homes and remodel them and rent them out. And,

um, you know, I was on the phone with one of my mentors, um, one day talking about like,

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