Hi, I'm Josie Duffy Rice, and this is the Justice in America Book Bonus.

We're here with Doyuan Taitro.

He's a government affairs officer for the Bard Prison Initiative and Wesley Keynes, the chief of staff of Bronx

vendors. They're both alumni of the Bard Prison Initiative

Program.

Can you tell us something you've read or watched or enjoy lately or really whenever that you think

our listeners would benefit from engaging with.

Yeah, any thoughts on that?

It's something you like to recommend.

This is Taiwan, you know, first and foremost, I want everyone to watch college

mind bars, right, that's a given.

And then too, I think one of the books that's kind of really, I would say that it changed my thinking,

but really, really engaged me lately is Danielle Serreds until we reckon, which is inserting and beginning this conversation around

violence in the criminal justice space.

We've been going, with the reforms we're going after, what we would say, the low hanging

through non-violent offenses,

and if we're really going to tackle mass incarceration,

we have to reckon with violence.

She was also a former Justice in America guest.

So, great.

We like that.

Yeah, Danielle is awesome.

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