Hi, this is Natalie Hoffman of Flying Free Now.com, and you're listening to the

Flying Free Podcast, a support resource for women of faith, looking for hope and healing from hidden

emotional and spiritual abuse.

Welcome to episode 15 of the Flying Free Podcast.

This is Natalie Hoffman and it's just me again today.

Rachel and I are having a hard time connecting

to do another recording, but we are working on that and in the meantime. hard time

I would just kind of talk off the cuff a little bit about an article that I'm actually in the middle of writing for the blog, the Flying Free blog, but I thought

I would just talk about some of my ideas here. The subject is going to be on what a woman goes through when she first separates from her abusive husband if she decides

to go that route and really kind of I think we instinctively know that we have all of these

things to face if we do separate and it's what makes us not want to separate.

And there's so many practical pragmatic reasons not to separate from a spouse.

It's I wrote a blog article a while ago called

10 the 10 steps out of hell. I can't remember what it's called

off the top of my head. Anyway, if you go look up 10 steps on my website you'll find it.

And it basically just talks about the different hot ladder rungs of getting out of the pit of abuse.

And those ladder rungs are so hot that you just every time you step on one it's just it's so hot that you want to let go and you'd rather just let go and fall back down into the pit of abuse again

then keep trying to climb it's's just so hard to get out. But there are so many women on the top of that

pit that are cheering you on if you are just starting to contemplate making that climb. I for sure am up there cheering you on.

I help women get out. I've made the climb myself and I know how hard it is. I recently saw a meme on Facebook that it was it was called a peace

ministries who put a meme out that basically gave a checklist I'm trying to remember what she called it, a checklist of things that a survivor,

a survivor's to-do list, that's what it was. And she had just a very few things on there.

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