A good story. I found a grenade, dug up a grenade.

Did you?

Oh, yeah.

Where?

Well, I was just, this was...

Welcome to the ride companion where we have

four-cross legend, Duncan Ferris. Oh, thank you guys. Hiked. Forecross Legend doesn't really do justice, does it? Should have just said legend? Just legend, yeah, but then that's like I haven't thought about it. Ah, true, that's fair. These are the things I go through in my brain. Like, yeah.

Got to do a good intro.

Got to do a dig.

Yeah. Yeah, I probably need an intro because I don't think anybody knows. Give over. Whatever. Give over, mate. Dude, you are. I've just been around a long time. You have been around a long time. You have. You have. My first Duncan Ferris memory is, yeah, four crossing your ride for DMR, head to toe DMR.

Nothing. you have you have my first Duncan Ferris memory is yeah four cross and you ride for DMR head to toe DMR that was it back in the day yeah I remember pretty cool though good times that was yeah I remember seeing you at a lot of four cross races as well I did a bit of forecast for a while yeah I remember yeah a little bit dipped in and out you know one of you and duff again again. Yeah. You didn't want to take all of them. Nah, I didn't want to win it all. They just felt a bit rude. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm in winning it. I think there's pictures in dirt as well of you, your gates. Yeah, there's a famous one of, well, it's funny story. The gate is still up, right? Well, there's a funny story behind that is that I pretty much cheating and I didn't know about it because I didn't go and do BMX tracks and didn't go and practice gates. Yeah. And I was just doing gates. I was thinking, oh, wow, if I go before the gate goes down, I'll beat everybody

out of it. So this is before random start, isn't it? Yeah. This is almost why they brought in random start because like, I guess you weren't alone in working that out. Well, no, I think you would just talk, like if you came from BMX, you were told, you don't go until the gate goes. but I didn't come from BIMX

and I came from doing it

having sometimes having a forward

game. You came from the school of hard knocks.

Yeah.

And I was like, I'll just go before everybody else and lift my front wheel over it. And then I went to the first sort of UK national round and the guys doing the gate were like, you can't, it can't really do that. And I was like, I've been doing it for a couple of years. Why don't actually understand why not? Yeah, what was the technique then?

Pulling back and then wheeling up and over it almost.

Yeah, well, obviously there's a random gate now. Yeah. You don't know when it's going to go. So you just react to it. Right. That's your technique out the window, isn't it? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, I went back downhill from there, I think. I peaked then.

But before it was,

three to one almost.

They'd be like,

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