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My cast away this week is the entrepreneur Duncan Banitine.

He made his name appearing on the TV show Dragon's Den, a no-nonsense investor with a sharp tongue

and an eye for the bottom line.

He made his fortune in nursing homes, health clubs and hotels, quite something, given that

aged 30, he was a debt-chair attendant who'd once served time in military detention for

threatening to throw his commanding officer overboard.

He says, when you've got a criminal record, no qualifications, no references, the best option

is starting your own business because no one can stop you.

You're not quite a rags to rich's story, Duncan Banitine, but almost.

I'm wondering, do you think you enjoy your money more because you know what it's like not

to have any?

I don't know if I've said I enjoy my life, I've such a great life, I've a lovely family

and I love the business and I think, roving your business, you build up is more important

than loving the money that that creates.

Many people in business who always say, we won't retire entrepreneurs because we love

it so much.

It's what drives us.

Let me quote back to you, some of the things you've said on Dragon's Den, I don't like

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