Welcome, dear listeners, I'm Jonathan Carlin. And I'm Benjamin Carlin. And we invite you to join us through the Gryffindor. Your one-way ticket to the enchanting world of Harry Potter. So grab your wands and dust off your broomsticks and join us as we unlock the dark corridors inside of Dumbledore's big plan order of the Phoenix.

Boy, howdy.

I mean, talk about the, the book, uh, as far as Dumbledore's big plan is concerned.

Because this is, this is the book.

This is the book where he just basically admits to it.

He does.

I mean, he, it's pretty much just the case that he's,

like, I mean, he even refers to it as a plan, you know, like that he has been, you know,

in, in this very unique position from the very beginning, you know, like the, the prophecy is delivered to Dumbledore himself, which is, like, it's also like possibly the fates seeing that

despite the fact that Dumbledore is otherwise regarded as like the greatest wizard who has

ever lived. It's like he is not the one who is going to shoulder the responsibility of defeating Baltimore. In fact, if anything, if the prophecy would suggest that he is not the one who is going to shoulder the responsibility of defeating

Voldemort. In fact, if anything, if the prophecy would suggest that he is not, like, somehow capable of destroying Tom Riddle.

Right. Like, the prophecy is the one with the power to defeat the Dark Lord approaches. It's like,

meaning that Dumbledore is not the one with the power to do it. Which is so strange. But then it's also, it means that like, instead of Dumbledore is not the moment of power to do it. Which is so strange.

But then it's also, it means that like instead of Dumbledore, despite all of his power,

his actual role inside of the fate of the wizarding world is guiding young Harry through

a myriad of steps that will ultimately lead him to being the exact person who can, like, as we so often

talk about, walk into the forest again, being willing to accept death. Exactly. You know, and,

and that's, that's the thing that Dumbledore knows has to happen. Yeah. And when we get to the point

where he's telling him about the lost prophecy,

he will constantly refer to it as like, or he's telling him why he hasn't told him the prophecy yet. Why, why didn't I answer your very first question? Why Voldemort tried to kill you as a baby? And it's like, well, I had a plan, you know, and he seems like, do you see the flaw in my plan yet, Harry? Right.

You know, and it's like, he keeps talking literally about the plan.

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