The first time I ever got headshots in L.A.

First of all, it was in a van.

Classy.

Second of all.

What are we defining as head shots here?

Oh, no.

I needed the photographer to yell at me in order for me to smile.

And I'm like, this has unlocked a lot about my childhood. Like to have like a smile until they. I couldn't do like a natural laugh unless they started like being mean to me. And I was like, this is hilarious. Oh, wow. You got to have them be mean to you in the van. Yeah. If someone was nice to you in a van, that would be creepy.

That's suspicious.

Yeah.

I was just listening to something.

Oh, is a photographer who is working with Zoran Mamdani for the cover shoot of, I think he,

like a New York magazine profile.

And like he was like too uptight because he's like a normal person.

And he's like, what am I doing?

I'm going to be on the cover of a magazine.

That's weird.

And so the photographer was like, and so I did this thing that works for me where I showed

him a magic trick and it like disarmed him

and enough to like get him to smile.

He's like, oh fuck.

What is that?

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