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This week on the podcast, I sit down with author and journalist, Duff McDonald.

He has written such seminal books as Last Man Standing,

The Ascent of Jamie Dimon and JP Morgan Chase.

His second book was The Firm, the story of McKinsey and its secret influence on American business,

and what's shocking about that book, not only that McKinsey is as influential as it is in

government and finance and business in general, but given their storied history and their power

and influence, this was literally the first book ever written on McKinsey. That's pretty shocking.

Full disclosure, I myself have referenced Duff's work and about a half a dozen years ago,

I wrote something called Is McKinsey the Root of All Evil? And the answer turned out, in my opinion,

to more or less have been yes. His book is really a deep and detailed read into the storied

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