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The Times Tech Podcast

DuckDuckGo's Gabriel Weinberg: "Google's privacy washing"

The Times Tech Podcast

Will Morley

Business, Unknown, Technology

4.9654 Ratings

🗓️ 31 July 2020

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

The Sunday Times tech correspondent Danny Fortson brings on Gabriel Weinberg, founder of DuckDuckGo, to talk about the early days of starting the search engine (3:30), the erosion of Google’s results (7:40), how big DuckDuckGo is now (9:35), raising venture capital (12:30), how we as users get bid on (15:40), why he proposed a “Do Not Track” law (18:30), what the crackdown could look like (21:10), on whether people actually care about privacy (25:00), why Apple’s new operating system could be a game-changer (28:40), why Silicon Valley argues data is important (33:30), on whether breakups are the answer (34:50), and his jousting with Google (37:10).

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0:00.0

Yo, technology.

0:03.0

What is it all about?

0:04.5

They're doing a form of privacy washing, which they're trying to, it's really a deliberate

0:10.4

attempt to use privacy, you know, to invoke privacy to help their brand, but not actually

0:15.9

deliver it to consumers.

0:23.7

Hello and welcome to Danny in the Valley, your weekly dispatch from behind the scenes

0:28.0

and inside the minds of the top people in tech.

0:30.6

It has been quite a week.

0:33.3

So obviously the big four tech CEOs, Zuckerberg, Jeff Bezos for the first time ever,

0:39.7

Sundar Pichai, and Tim Cook of Apple.

0:44.0

We're hauled before Congress this week, which mostly involved a lot of histrionics

0:49.3

and grandstanding and nonsense.

0:51.1

But also, for the first time, it really showed that this 13-month investigation

0:54.7

into these companies has been a huge education for lawmakers. So there were actually some

1:01.1

tough, quite probing questions mixed into all the other hullabaloo. And many of those questions

1:08.6

were drawn from something like 1.3 million emails and documents that the companies have been forced to produce as part of this whole investigation.

1:16.9

Anyhow, point is, you will have read about all of that by the time you hear this podcast.

1:21.2

So I thought a better way to address kind of the big tech crackdown, what is happening, and why was to talk to one of the

1:29.8

little guys who have been valiantly fighting against Google in the background for all these years.

1:36.1

And that company is Duck, Duck, Go, which is a privacy-focused search engine, at least that's

1:40.7

how it started out.

1:41.4

Now they do a whole bunch more around privacy.

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