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Economist Podcasts

Drum Tower: The cage—part two

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The Economist

News & Politics, News

4.44.9K Ratings

🗓️ 6 June 2023

⏱️ 41 minutes

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Summary

In this second episode of a special two-part series, The Economist’s senior China correspondent, Alice Su, investigates China’s repressions of Uyghurs at home and abroad.

From 2017 to 2019 China locked up more than a million Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities in  "re-education camps" in Xinjiang. During that time most Uyghurs living overseas were cut off from everyone they knew in China. Recently the Chinese Communist Party has closed many of the camps. It wants the world to forget what happened in Xinjiang and what is still happening today. It wants Uyghurs inside and outside China to keep quiet.

Alice Su explores how the Chinese state is able to control Uyghurs overseas through their families. She speaks to Nigara and Kewser, two Uyghurs who left China, about making the biggest decision of their lives; family or freedom?

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0:00.0

Nothing's changed, not really.

0:03.1

Still calling the girls the girls?

0:05.2

Absolutely.

0:06.7

Still wearing a swimsuit for anything but swimming?

0:09.7

Oh yes.

0:11.0

From whistles and mango to new brands like Roneso,

0:14.3

shop fashion and homework at JD Williams.

0:17.4

Admit it.

0:18.4

This age thing suits you.

0:20.7

Pay no interest for the first three months with a JDW pay account.

0:24.1

Repscentative 39.9% APR variable credit subject status TZZ's apply.

0:30.8

Hello, I'm Alice Sue.

0:37.9

For months, I've been investigating how the Chinese government is trying to silence and control

0:42.6

Uighurs outside China.

0:44.9

This is the second episode of The Cage, a special two-part series for Drone Tower.

0:50.4

If you've not listened to the first episode, you'll find it wherever you listen.

1:00.4

It's almost impossible to speak to Uighurs inside Xinjiang about what's happening there.

1:08.1

Not just for reporters like me, but also for family members and friends outside of Xinjiang.

1:14.4

Uighurs outside, just like a shadow.

1:18.4

A lot of shadow are walking outside.

1:22.4

But real life, real spirit, is in the cage.

1:29.6

I was recently in Istanbul with my guide and translator, Abdueli.

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