Brian, welcome to Lockton, man. Pleasure having you from Lake Tahoe. Thanks for having me. Yeah. Glad to be here. Yeah, it's an honor, man. Thanks to Dan Izzo for connecting us. And he texted me your story. You just reminded me about when looking at it. I was like, holy shit, we need him on the pod. And I know I say that about a lot of guests, but every story we have is just so crazy. So, yeah, again, thank you for coming out here. Did you grow up in Lake Taco? No, I was actually, I was born in Texas, born in Abilene. My father was a pastor. So after we left Abilene, we went to Oklahoma where he went to seminary, and then he had his first church in a small town called Aline, Oklahoma. And then we moved back to Fredericksburg, Texas, and then Pekas, Texas. And then

when I was about 10 years old, we moved to Wachung, New Jersey, which is about 45 minutes outside

of New York City. So I've grown up all over the place. I grew up West Texas, my best friend Rex, his family had a ranch.

You know, we were out there shooting guns, riding horses, doing things like that.

And then when I was 10 moved to Jersey, it was just absolute culture shock.

And was there until I was about 18 and then went back to San Antonio, Texas, went to college there. And then when I was 22,

that's the first time that I got incarcerated and went to a federal prison for five and a half

years. Yeah, Texas to New Jersey is night and day difference. Well, especially West Texas. This

wasn't Texas, San Antonio, Dallas, big city. This was West Texas. I mean, I remember going out on the ranch

and Rex and I, I was nine, he was 10, and we would literally be given the keys to a work truck.

It wasn't like we were just driving on the ranch property either. We'd be driving on county highways,

having to go to different pastures, drop off hay, drop off salt lick,

you know, a nine and 10 year old driving a truck, shotgun in the center for rattlesnakes.

That's just how, that's just how it was, you know what I mean, in West Texas in the 1980s.

And then move into New Jersey, especially Wa Chung, just absolute, just immense wealth,

preppy, unbelievably preppy kids.

It was definitely culture shock.

And it's kind of crazy to even bring that up because that is really, I'll get to it,

but that's really kind of the seed that led me to ultimately becoming incarcerated.

When we were in Texas, my father was a pastor. We didn't have a

lot of money, but it still came with clout, especially in a small town in Texas. If your father was a

pastor, was in like gifted and talented classes. So I had all these external validations, you know what

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