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Welcome to another episode of Conversations with Coleman. My guest today is Josh Mitchell.

Josh is a Wall Street Journal reporter who covers debt and finance.

His book is called The Debt Trap, How Student Loans Became a National Catastrophe,

and it was named one of the best books of 2021 by both NPR and the New York Post.

Josh and I talk about the history of government involvement in student loans. We talk about

the reasons why college tuition has been soaring since the 1980s. We talk about the history of government involvement in student loans. We talk about the reasons why college tuition has been soaring since the 1980s.

We talk about the value of a four-year college degree.

We talk about the similarities between the housing crisis of the 2000s and the current

student loan crisis.

We talk about President Biden's Student Loan Forgiveness program and much more. So without further ado,

Josh Mitchell. Okay, Josh Mitchell. Thanks so much for coming on my show. Sure, of course.

Thanks. So before we get into the topic of student loans, which have been in the news lately,

and it's a topic a lot of us don't love to think about, but are forced to think about. Before you get into that,

I'm curious just how, what's your background? How did you get into this subject? And how'd you come

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