Drone wolf: Ukraine’s missile mastermind
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The Economist
4.3 • 5K Ratings
🗓️ 1 April 2026
⏱️ 22 minutes
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Summary
Ukraine’s resistance to Russia relies on the clever use of drones. Much of that strategy is down to a single person, a former grain trader with a great idea. Our correspondent meets him. Since the Brexit vote a decade ago, Britain has become more like Europe. And why American universities are abandoning the notorious swimming test.
Guests and host:
- Oliver Carroll, Ukraine correspondent
- Matthew Holehouse, Britain public policy editor
- Doug Dowson, data journalist
- Rosie Blau, co-host of “The Intelligence”
- Jason Palmer, co-host of “The intelligence”
Topics covered:
- Ukraine, drones, Russia, Putin
- Britain, Europe, European Union, single market
- American universities, race, discrimination, swimming
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| 0:00.0 | The Economist. |
| 0:10.3 | Hello and welcome to the intelligence from The Economist. |
| 0:13.9 | I'm Rosie Bloor. |
| 0:15.3 | And I'm Jason Palmer. |
| 0:16.9 | Every weekday, we provide a fresh perspective on the events shaping your world. |
| 0:24.4 | Britain voted to leave the European Union a decade ago. |
| 0:28.4 | Strangely, though, it has since become more, not less, like Europe. |
| 0:32.7 | And policymakers are now trying to catch up. |
| 0:39.5 | And many universities in America used to uphold a proud tradition of making all students |
| 0:45.1 | take a swimming test before they got their diploma and dived into the real world. |
| 0:49.9 | Now more and more are abandoning it. |
| 1:04.0 | Thank you. now more and more are abandoning it. First up, though. |
| 1:09.2 | Travelling to see Ukraine's drone chief was interesting enough, though I can't actually tell you where we were. |
| 1:15.6 | Oliver Carroll is our Ukraine correspondent. |
| 1:18.6 | For most of the long, rough, bumpy road to the command point, I was being driven in a minivan with blacked out windows. |
| 1:26.6 | When the doors finally slid open, |
| 1:29.9 | we were inside, opposite an entrance to a strange and eccentric underground world of corridors, |
| 1:37.2 | sleeping pods, a gym, a gallery of famous Ukrainian paintings alongside explosives, drones and missiles, |
| 1:45.0 | and missiles of screens, relaying live data feeds from the battlefield. |
| 1:51.1 | And somewhere in there, in a three meters by three meters, windowless cubbyhole, |
| 1:55.9 | chain smoking cigarettes, and drinking Fortnum and Mason tea, was Robert Brovdy, aka Madhya. |
| 2:02.6 | A.k. A man with an automatim in my |
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