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Driving Forces: How Climate Fuels Human Migration

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4.7583 Ratings

🗓️ 7 February 2020

⏱️ 51 minutes

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Summary

From the first humans to venture out of Africa 60,000 years ago to the displaced refugees of today, migration has always been a part of human life. And in parts of the world where immediate threats include violence and poverty, climate change probably isn't a driving motivation to leave home. But with erratic weather, extended droughts, and resource scarcity fueling political conflict and pressures on vulnerable rural livelihoods, it's impossible to leave climate out of the conversation. How is climate change fueling the mass movement of humans around the world, and what does that mean for national security and economies? Visit climateone.org/watch-and-listen/podcasts for more information on today's episode. Guests: Paul Salopek, Journalist and National Geographic Fellow Dina Ionesco, Head of the Migration, Environment and Climate Change (MECC) Division at the UN Migration Agency (IOM) Francesco Femia, Co-Founder, The Center for Climate and Security Oscar Chacon, Co-Founder and Executive Director, Alianza Americas Lauren Markham, Author, The Far Away Brothers: Two Young Migrants and the Making of an American Life Parts of this program were recorded at The Commonwealth Club of California in San Francisco. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Will climate change turn us into a world of uprooted migrants?

0:12.0

Climate One Conversations feature oil companies and environmentalists, Republicans and Democrats,

0:18.0

the exciting and the scary aspects of the climate challenge.

0:21.7

I'm Greg Dalton.

0:24.8

Climate instability is an increasing driver of human migration, but no one identifies

0:29.8

themselves as a climate refugee.

0:32.3

It's a notion that doesn't have a legal meaning today.

0:36.0

It's something that talks to our spirit, to our hearts,

0:39.2

but you can't have a status of a climate refugee today in our world. Dina UNESCO is head of the

0:45.3

Migration, Environment and Climate Change Division at the UN Migration Agency in Geneva. She acknowledges

0:51.6

that environmental degradation may be one among many factors driving migration.

0:56.0

But people leaving their homelands are even less likely to cite climate as a cause.

1:01.0

People in Central American countries, you know, if you actually ask them,

1:04.0

why did you feel forced to leave your country?

1:07.0

They would not tell you all because of climate change.

1:10.0

Oscar Chacon is co-founder and executive director of Alianza Americas, a network of Latin American

1:16.7

and Caribbean immigrant organizations in the United States. Extreme cycles of drought and heavy

1:22.1

rain have left many subsistence farmers around the world without any viable options to work

1:27.1

and eat.

1:28.1

Any place there's a cash crop. When that cash crop is decimated, there's no fallback plan, right?

1:32.6

There's nothing that we can kind of do tomorrow in order to feed our families and to buy our food.

1:37.3

Lauren Markham is author of The Far Away Brothers, two young migrants and the making of an American life.

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