Welcome to the Trial UK, Driven to Death.

I'm Caroline Cheatham.

And I'm Nick Fage.

We'll be back in a second. Today on the podcast, we've actually got something a little bit different. The pod's in sort of two halves.

We've obviously got the latest from court of the trial of Chris Tribus, and that's because the court had Friday and Monday off for the bank holidays.

They're back in today, Tuesday, and what's happening this week is we're coming to the end of the case, really.

The barristers will make their final arguments to the jury.

And probably next week, the jury will be sent out to decide if Chris Tribus is guilty of manslaughter, rape and coercive control.

So everything that we hear between now and Friday, we'll have

all of that for you in our episode on Friday. But we did have a bit more that happened on Thursday

last week that we're going to bring you as well today. In the second half of the episode, we've got a bit of

an update on that trial of social media

that was taking place in the States. Liz and I have been watching and covering that in our special

series. And in the second half of today's pod, we wanted to bring you an extraordinary interview

related to that trial. So first of all,

an update on where things are up to in Winchester. And a bit of a surprising moment at the end of

last week. All of the defence witnesses had been called, they'd given their evidence,

they'd been discharged. And then what we were expecting

to happen is the closing arguments of the barristers would begin. But it didn't happen. And that's

because one of the defence witnesses was recalled, recalled to give more evidence. And that

witness was Chris Tribus, the man on trial. And Nick, it's not totally

unheard of, but it's a bit unusual. That's right, yes. It's not unheard of Caroline, but it's not

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