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Welcome back to the Primal Blueprint Podcast.

We've got a repeat offender on the show today.

Drew Manning.

Drew Manning is great.

Drew is the New York Times bestselling author of the book Fit to Fat to Fit.

And also complete keto and some other, he's got amazing materials, everything you need to get in shape

and, you know, charge it in life. But what he did was, as a background, for those of you that don't know,

10 years ago, he did fit to fat to fit. He was very fit, didn't understand what it was like to be fat

and sort of be in this environment. So for the sake of empathy and understanding his clients, he went and he got fat intentionally and saw all sorts of terrible results from

that in terms of blood markers, mood, etc. And then 10 years later, Drew decides he's going to do

it again, fit to fat to 40 for his 40th birthday, this time doing it a little bit different. And we

talked about that on the last episode of Primal Blueprint, what his plan was for gaining the weight and then losing it, etc. So we're going to jump in where you are now, which is you are now on the road back down from fit to fat to 40, right? Yes, correct. Thanks for having me back on. It's a pleasure to be here. And I'm glad I survived that up until this point. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

So let's talk about where you started out before you decided to get fat this time. You were, what,

how much, what was your percentage of body fat, your weight? Give us a few stats there. Yeah, so 181.6 pounds was

my weight. My body fat was around 8.4% based off the device that I was using. My waist was 33 and a half

inches. So I would say pretty fit. And my blood markers were pretty good too if you want to go over

those at some point. But let's just say they're all in the green. Right. So I got to say that

watching your journey of getting fat was painful for me. And me too. I'm sure it was very, but not just because it was like, oh God, you know, poor Drew, gross. You know, he's got a tummy. It was less of like, ew, what's happened to Drew? He's not, you know, as cute as he used to be than you were. It was painful for me because you were doing,

you're doing it intentionally and I'm watching your body and remembering what it was like

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