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You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the IHeart Radio app.

And we're going to talk a little more.

I talked at length in the first hour,

if you want to hear that on the podcast,

about the Jimmy Kinnell situation from a number of angles.

But I want to talk some more with our next guest, Drew Hayes.

Drew has been a friend of mine for a long time and hired Ken and I over 25 years ago for KBC.

And we worked for him and we all worked for Disney at the time. And Drew has been a radio executive and programmer for many, many years, not only here in Los Angeles for a long time, but Chicago as well.

He's been a talk show host in various cities.

Drew, how are you?

I used to go to lunch with Marconi.

So we're pretty close.

And I want to know if I won tickets to the I Heart Radio Fest.

Is that why I'm on the phone because I'm the winner?

No, you're too late for that.

And they don't let people of your age in there anyway.

Thank you very much.

Yeah, that's the thing that happens.

Well, can I get it? Can I get a little bit more? Can we talk about the New World's brew worm before we get started?

No, because it's making me sick. I actually, oh, it's so great. I actually heard your first hour, and you really touched on all this stuff. And, you know, for 30 years, really, you know, guys like you and me and Ray have been through

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