Like, there's a concept of forgiveness that a lot of us don't practice, or if it's a forgiveness, it's a conditional forgiveness.

Right.

Welcome back to where everybody knows your name.

I'm so excited to talk to Drew Carey.

What he does with his influence as an actor, comedian, and television host is very inspiring.

That's why I wanted to talk to him today.

We have a mutual friend named Mark Vahanian, who's here today as well. Mark founded an amazing

organization called Pathway to Kinship that helps formerly incarcerated men and women to

reintegrate with society. Without further ado, Drew Carey and our friend Mark Vahannian.

All right, so Mark Vahanian.

All right, so Mark Vahani, sitting over there.

What is your connection?

We'll get to it because Mark has,

he founded Pathway to Kinship in 2017, correct?

I think I was, you know, just starting out.

I think our official is a little later than that, but yes. Right. And Pathway to Kins was, you know, just starting out. I think our official is a little later than that, but yes.

Right. And pathway to kinship, you work with formerly incarcerated men and women.

Currently and formally incarcerated men and women, yes.

But the ones who are coming out, you are helping provide or find access to homes, jobs,

and anything else they need.

Rapparound services.

Even how to do a job interview?

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