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Unpacking Israeli History

Dreaming of Iran: A Conversation with Writer Roya Hakakian

Unpacking Israeli History

Unpacked

Judaism, Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, History

4.81.3K Ratings

🗓️ 1 July 2025

⏱️ 58 minutes

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Summary

Host Noam Weissman sits down with acclaimed Iranian-American writer Roya Hakakian to trace the complex and often misunderstood history of Persian Jewry. Roya shares her personal story growing up Jewish in Iran before and after the 1979 Islamic Revolution, explores why the country shifted from relative tolerance to theocratic repression, and reflects on why millions of Iranians today remain deeply secular despite their fundamentalist regime. Noam and Roya discuss why Iranian society feels poised for change—and why history teaches us that no regime lasts forever. Here is a link to Roya Hakakian's homepage, bio and work. Here is a link to Roya Hakakian's memoir, Journey from the Land of No: A Girlhood Caught in Revolutionary Iran. Please get in touch at noam@unpacked.media. This podcast was brought to you by Unpacked, an OpenDor Media brand. ------------------- For other podcasts from Unpacked, check out: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jewish History Nerds⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Soulful Jewish Living⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Stars of David with Elon Gold ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Wondering Jews⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

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0:00.0

Hey, I'm Noam Weissman and you're listening to Unpacking Israeli History, the podcast that takes a deep dive into some of the most intense, historically fascinating and often misunderstood events and stories linked to Israeli history.

0:12.2

This episode of Unpacking Israeli History is dedicated in memory of Armin Lindenbaum by his wife, Jean, and children Felice, Amiel, and Ariel Lyndonbaum Saban.

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Be in touch at noam at unpacked.med.

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Okay, yala.

0:44.8

Let's do this.

0:47.4

We're the people of Israel, we, the people of Israel, are prepared and anxious to meet the representatives of our neighbors without any preconditions.

1:06.0

There are people in Israel and elsewhere say it's impossible to make peace between the Arabs and Israel or the Jewish people.

1:14.8

I think they're home.

1:18.5

Over the past few weeks, we've been talking about the big stories behind the news, the histories that led us to this moment.

1:25.1

And all of those are so important for understanding not only today,

1:30.0

but tomorrow. But history is not just the geopolitical international stories. It's also the product of

1:38.4

billions of individual people, their daily lives, their choices, their struggles, their triumphs.

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There's a German artist

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named Anselm Kiefer who wrote, history is formed by the people, those who have power,

1:50.4

and those without power. Each one of us makes history. History doesn't just happen. It's made by

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